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Stallman is back in the FSF

1 2021-03-23 07:36

There's still hope

2 2021-03-23 08:00

What does it change?

3 2021-03-23 10:19

It'll prevent corporations from sabotaging the free software movement from the inside, so a lot.

4 2021-03-23 11:41

Not as an autistic overlord, tho. He's just a voice on the director board now.

5 2021-03-23 14:41 *

He never left, he was still high up on the voting council.

6 2021-03-23 14:50 *

>>3,4
incorrect

7 2021-03-23 14:59

Jeffrey instructs Virginia to fuck Marvin. Virginia proceeds to fuck Marvin.

"Did Marvin ackchyually rape Virginia?" Richard asks, in a private mailing list. Then the e-mail is leaked and a bunch of data privacy, freedom of speech activists freak out and attempt to throw Richard under the bus.

8 2021-03-23 15:59

>>7

bunch of data privacy, freedom of speech activists

all me tbh

9 2021-03-23 16:38 *

>>7
Giuffre never actually accused Minsky of anything.

10 2021-03-24 03:59

You should notice it's all figureheads who are calling for the beheading of Stallman while programmers who actually do work and care about freedom are defending him.

11 2021-03-24 04:00

>>7
Yeah, Stallman is autistic and lacks tact, this isn't new. Did you not find it fishy how all mainstream media started talking about Stallman all of a sudden, when they didn't care about the free software movement at all before this?

12 2021-03-24 07:26

https://rms-support-letter.github.io/

To sign, please submit a pull request.

Hi guys if you want to support rms and Free Software please sign up to Microsoft proprietary SaaSS platform to show us that you really care!!

This is a response to this: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/

13 2021-03-24 10:22

>>12
Does everyone now understand clown world and how it's almost the most chaotic neutral thing there is?

14 2021-03-24 12:32

>>12

We are calling for the removal of the entire Board of the Free Software Foundation.

How can anyone find this agreeable? Reading up on this entire situation is so depressing -- as are all culture wars. Isn't it obvious how they are being co-opted to fight free software?

15 2021-03-24 12:42

https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix

(Note: While several news reports misrepresented Stallman’s position while discussing allegations against Minsky, Stallman has previously expressed opinions that were consistent with the inaccurate portrayal.)

This is just insane, they condemn him for something he did not do just because they would like to believe he could have done it?

16 2021-03-24 16:30

This is just "FAGMAN" mobilizing their mass-manipulation machines to attack FOSS developers just like they've been doing since forever. This time though almost everything normal people use to communicate goes through one of their filters; It's likely to be extremely effective on people who don't exclusively use free software.

17 2021-03-24 18:43

https://rms-open-letter.github.io/

I'm sick of those ungrateful morons.

18 2021-03-24 19:08

https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210324-01.html
Carefully worded condemnation from FSFE.

19 2021-03-24 19:32

>>18

FSFE

And who might you be?

The goal of the software freedom movement is to empower all people to control technology and thereby create a better society for everyone. Free Software is meant to serve everyone regardless of their age, ability or disability, gender identity, sex, ethnicity, nationality, religion or sexual orientation.

What about opinions or political orientation?

Therefore, in the current situation we see ourselves unable to collaborate both with the FSF and any other organisation in which Richard Stallman has a leading position.

kthxbye

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20 2021-03-24 20:26 *

>>19
Why do they have to be like this. It is like they they want to repel people.
When will people realize that we are living through our own middle age.

21 2021-03-24 20:32

>>19

What about opinions or political orientation?

It's free software foundation, not retarded libertarian software foundation.

22 2021-03-24 21:26

>>21
Where can I download the list of legal opinions to use free software? Because that's where they want to go.

23 2021-03-24 21:54 *

>>20
You answered your own question.

24 2021-03-24 23:48

Note: While several news reports misrepresented Stallman’s position while discussing allegations against Minsky >>15

This is a Pravda-tier phrasing. It wasn't "several news reports", it was all the early articles without exception, and it was precisely the articles upon which the entire subsequent campaign was built. Those who need to resort to Pravda-tier phrasings are conceding that the undistorted phrasing is incompatible with their position.

25 2021-03-25 03:14

>>22
 ̄ー ̄) It means Free Software as in the FSF not Free Software as in FOSS software. You may now stop feeling like a victim.

26 2021-03-25 03:16

>>24
Yeah... fucking half of the letter is pretty much conjecture. And calling someone transphobic for suggesting better neutral gendered pronouns? We can thank social media for people spreading FUD without actually reading it.

Funnily enough it's twitter drones and open source corporate cucks pushing for this crap, the fediverse is divided on whether to support or reject RMS.

27 2021-03-25 05:24

If you'd like to love and care for a pet that doesn't have normal human mental capacity, don't create a handicapped human being to be your pet. Get a dog or a parrot. It will appreciate your love, and it will never feel bad for being a less capable than normal humans.

28 2021-03-25 07:40

>>24,25-26
They even note that their accusations mischaracterize what he had done, or that he already admitted being wrong about them, apologized, and no longer holds those views. His supposed transphobia is pure speculation even in their own text, and they have been called out on it but they refuse to remove it: https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/issues/401

The only thing that holds any water is >>27 but let's be honest, the only issue with that is that it singles out people who gives birth to children with known birth defects. Breeders deserve only contempt.

29 2021-03-25 12:26

trans

https://www.stallman.org/archives/2011-jan-apr.html#20%20February%202011%20(Urgent:%20Support%20Transgender%20Equal%20Rights%20Bill)

Massachusetts citizens: urge your state rep and senator to vote for the Transgender Equal Rights Bill.

https://www.stallman.org/archives/2013-may-aug.html#19_June_2013_(Urgent:_Employment_nondiscrimination_protection)

US citizens: call for passage of employment nondiscrimination protection for gays and transgenders.

https://www.stallman.org/archives/2015-jan-apr.html#13_March_2015_(Discrimination)

A proposed California bill would stop the state from doing business with companies that discriminate against transgender employees. I think it is a step in the right direction.

https://www.stallman.org/archives/2018-sep-dec.html#28_October_2018_(Urgent:_Recognition_of_transsexuals)

US citizens: oppose the bully's plan to make parts of the federal government deny all recognition to transsexuals. If you sign, please spread the word!

https://www.stallman.org/archives/2020-sep-dec.html#21_September_2020_(Urgent:_discrimination_against_trans_people)

US citizens: call on the Department of Housing and Urban Development not to allow discrimination against trans people.

Feel free to reproduce these pieces of Verifiable™ Reality® wherever they are needed.

30 2021-03-25 12:26

>>28
Let's be honest, trannies are not only mentally deranged, they're fucking disgusting.

31 2021-03-25 12:29 *

>>30
Back to the /PoolOfLosers/ with you. Shoo.

32 2021-03-25 16:13

>>25
Have you not heard of ethical licenses?

https://ethicalsource.dev/licenses/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coraline_Ada_Ehmke

33 2021-03-25 17:13

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-richard-stallman-fsf-board

fuckers

34 2021-03-25 17:43

https://wingolog.org/archives/2021/03/25/here-we-go-again

35 2021-03-25 18:22

>>12
Yeah, it is retarded.
Also they basically took the same template and rewrote the statement.
But ultimately I think it's good that there's a single point to gather all the people who support stallman. Somebody on /g/ asked him about help and he just replied that we need to be vocal about our support, because the retards are really good at screeching the loudest.
When I saw that people like Jeff and even fucking Leah Rowe signed that petition, I decided to screw it and sign it as well.

36 2021-03-25 18:45

RMS was supporting the LGBT movement in the fucking 80s already. This is retarded.

37 2021-03-25 19:44

I don't get it, if they have such a strong case against Stallman, why do they keep inventing controversies that are so easily debunked?

38 2021-03-25 19:51 *

>>34
The misogynistic rewiring of computers.

39 2021-03-25 21:09 *

A sufficient number of Ctrl+F "handicapped human being" shows that >>27 is not from any of the subpages of https://www.stallman.org/archives/polnotes.html "Political notes". It is also not from https://www.stallman.org/articles/children.html "Why it is important not to have children". Perhaps it's from CSAIL?

40 2021-03-25 21:26

>>39
It is from the political notes, but it has been rewritten:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161107050933/https://stallman.org/archives/2016-jul-oct.html#31_October_2016_(Down's_syndrome)
https://www.stallman.org/archives/2016-sep-dec.html#31_October_2016_(Down's_syndrome)
If you check the saved versions, the part about pets was removed sometime between 2016-11-10 and 2017-02-21, and then later the meaning was further clarified.

41 2021-03-25 22:42

It's all over, the CIA^H^H^H Red Hat corporation has put out this message against Stallman and the FSF.

https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-statement-about-richard-stallmans-return-free-software-foundation-board

42 2021-03-25 23:17

⫷ °⧭° ⫸

honk honk

43 2021-03-26 00:11

>>40
Thanks for the archive.org link. So it's a position that was retracted shortly after being posted, more than four years ago.

44 2021-03-26 00:14

>>41

Red Hat is desperate to get rid of (A)GPLv3

Truly a shocking development.

45 2021-03-26 05:44 *

>>41

RedHat

freedesktop = redhat = ibm = nsa/dod/dhs/darpa ...= [scrubbed]

46 2021-03-26 05:49 *

>>36,37
RMS is in on it, thanks and have fun.

47 2021-03-26 07:18

https://www.fsf.org/news/preliminary-board-statement-on-fsf-governance
https://www.fsf.org/news/update-on-work-to-improve-governance-at-the-fsf

>>46
In on what?

48 2021-03-26 12:20

EPIC GUYS! I LOVE 4CHAN!

49 2021-03-26 13:09

anydesk id: 468771768
anydesk pass: Ebhsa5421
vnc pass: slc

50 2021-03-26 13:24 *

>>29
As radical feminists will tell you, the issue with transgender politics isn't ensuring rights, but privileges. Human rights are trans right (as opposed to "trans rights are human rights"), and ensuring human rights for everyone is of course necessary, as RMS agrees.

51 2021-03-26 21:58

https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/pull/910
lol

52 2021-03-27 23:01

timeline of press lies: https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/

53 2021-03-28 12:26

What could be done to help Free Software right now? I feel so helpless.

54 2021-03-28 14:11

>>53
Use it, contribute to it. Be vocal about your support for Stallman, do not boycott or attempt to fork projects whose contributors signed the petition against RMS (at least, not until they have changed the license to some bullshit ethical software license).

55 2021-03-28 19:18

>>29
This did not work, I was told that proposing alternatives to they/them is transphobic in itself, even if you support trans rights.

56 2021-03-28 19:34

>>55
Well, if you don't use appropriately e/em, tey/tem, xe, xem, te/tir, ey/em, ve/ver, hu/hum, ze/hir, zhe/zhim, sie/hir, peh/pehm, fae/faer, fizz/buzz, then you're probably transphobic.

57 2021-03-28 19:42 *

>>56
This comment is pretty transphobic.

58 2021-03-28 20:16

>>57
What a shame, isn't it?

59 2021-03-28 23:57

>>55
https://leftypol.org/tech/res/7090.html#7297

The fact that >>7192 will not make the entrenched corporate proxies retract the ludicrous transphobia smear is irrelevant. Posting copies of >>7192 everywhere will work because it will make every outside observer dismiss the ludicrous transphobia smear, and it will make the entrenched corporate proxies look ridiculous on this point.

60 2021-03-29 02:05 *

It feels more transphobiaphobic than a directly transphobic comment.

61 2021-03-29 02:59

>>59
Quality thread. I didn't know Leah Rowe proofread Stallman's article on gender neutral pronouns.
Twitter users are brainwashed.

62 2021-03-29 06:29

https://www.fsf.org/news/welcoming-ian-kelling-to-staff-seat-on-fsfs-board-of-directors

63 2021-03-29 16:36

>>24
Isn't this victim blaming?

64 2021-03-30 04:17

From what I could gather Stallman wasn't defending or accusing anybody but just autistically talking about the semantic and legal side of things.

65 2021-03-30 10:26 *

>>64
wrongthink

66 2021-03-30 15:50

https://www.fsf.org/news/statement-from-the-fsf-board-of-directors-meeting-on-march-29-2021
https://linuxreviews.org/John_Sullivan,_Executive_Director_Of_The_Free_Software_Foundation,_Has_Resigned
What's going on?

67 2021-03-30 16:59

>>66
qrd: IBM, Google and Microsoft are trying to take over Linux. They need it but without the GPL. They need Stallman out.

68 2021-03-30 18:20

>>67
How would infiltrating the FSF help in this? They already control the Linux Foundation and the OSI, Linux is GPL 2 only and completely independent from the FSF.

69 2021-03-30 19:33

>>68
Maybe they don't want independent distros beside IBM Red Hat and Microsoft Suse?

70 2021-03-30 20:30

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html

For programs that are more than one file, it is better to replace “this program” with the name of the program, and begin the statement with a line saying “This file is part of NAME”. For instance,

This file is part of Foobar.

Foobar is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
(at your option) any later version.

Foobar is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
GNU General Public License for more details.

You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
along with Foobar. If not, see <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

https://leftypol.org/tech/res/7090.html

If you haven't done so the last time, switch all your projects from (A)GPLv3+ to (A)GPLv3 exactly, since a subverted GPL published swiftly after an FSF takeover is the obvious endgame.

71 2021-03-31 06:16

https://www.fsf.org/blogs/executive-director/management-team-members-resigning
At this rate, the FSF will disband itself by the end of the week.

72 2021-03-31 09:00

This year will be remembered as the Great GNU Schism.

73 2021-03-31 10:13 *

Some people are opening their eyes. Finally.

https://libreboot.org/news/libreboot202104xx.html

Codes of conduct are stupid

Libreboot has abolished its Code of Conduct. I no longer believe that a CoC is effective; in reality, it does not prevent bad behaviour and it discourages people from joining the project. CoCs are ultimately counter-productive. It’s obvious when someone is behaving badly; common sense will prevail!

All I want is code. Your code.

The particular code of conduct that Libreboot adopted was the Contributor Covenant by Coraline Ada Ehmke. At the time, I did not know of her. Recently, I have learned about her. She is pure evil. She regularly harasses people on the internet, while hiding behind her minority status as a transgender person so that people are less likely to criticize her. She acts like a total fascist, going around the internet looking for people that disagree with her political views; she then attempts to cancel those people. See: cancel culture.

Coraline: I am transgender, and I’m deeply saddened by your views. You do not represent us, and I reject your ideas entirely. Your so-called Ethical Source movement pushes non-free licenses; specifically, these licenses, so-called Ethical licenses, place huge restrictions on the usage of the software. If a person uses a program under such licensing, the author can literally deny you access if they happen to disagree with your political views. I believe that all people should have freedom in their computing, even if I dislike their views.

This is why I revoked the code of conduct (Contributor Covenant) on libreboot.org. I do not wish for Libreboot to be associated with her. Every time someone reads a copy of the Contributor Covenant, Coraline’s influence to distribute non-free software licenses becomes stronger.

I, Leah Rowe, oppose non-free software and I reject Coraline Ada’s ideology. Libreboot will not be implementing another code of conduct. I initially was going to, but there is no need.

74 2021-03-31 10:42 *

I, Leah Rowe, oppose non-free software
osboot does not comply with Libreboot policy; it permits binary blobs.

75 2021-03-31 10:56 *

>>74
Sure, but at least the person realized that codes of conduct are stupid.

76 2021-03-31 13:09 *

>>55

https://leftypol.org/tech/

Good board.

77 2021-03-31 21:03

https://mixxx.org/news/2021-03-26-a-statement-on-richard-stallman-and-the-free-software-foundation/

While Mixxx is not officially associated with the Free Software Foundation, there's an inevitable connection in the public's mind between all FOSS projects and the FSF. Furthermore, Mixxx is and always has been licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public License, version 2 or later, and only the Free Software Foundation can publish new versions of the GNU GPL which could be retroactively applied to the Mixxx code. Given this relationship, the Mixxx project has an interest in ensuring that the Free Software Foundation has inclusive, principled, and wise leadership which can effectively lead the broad free software community to meet present and future challenges.

This is wild. They want Stallman gone because they fear he might change the GPL so that it discriminates against persons with Down's Syndrome? Stallman is not a danger to the future of the GPL, he is guarantee that it will remain what it is.

78 2021-04-01 01:06

>>77
What some people really want is to revoke freedom 0 (freedom to run the program for any purpose)

https://github.com/sticks-stuff/highlight-RMS-supporters

This userscript (badly) highlights those who have signed the RMS Support letter

Project maintainers just cave in to pressure from ethical software foundation, because they don't want to be labelled transphobes and lose their job.

79 2021-04-01 05:00

RMS removed from the GCC Steering Committee

https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235245.html

80 2021-04-01 21:52

It's over guys, time to move on. There's no point in prolonging the suffering, you are only hurting yourselves.

81 2021-04-02 00:02 *

Is FSF going to do what Mozilla did and turn on all of us?
What do we do now? Should we start writing OSes for our homebrew computers?
I disagreed with the position both Stallman and the FSF took before the Apple took everyone's computers away with the iPhone.I took for granted the freedom I enjoyed and mocked the people who defended it, now I'm worried it's gone forever.

82 2021-04-02 03:32

Radicalize, I guess. It's the one thing the FSF failed to do.

83 2021-04-02 07:31

Join the Software Liberation Front!

84 2021-04-02 10:18

>>79
https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235245.html
https://leftypol.org/tech/res/7090.html#7583

neurodiversity
The GCC Steering Committee
So you support neurodiversity but the guy you want removed just happens to be the one with too large a deviation from the neurotypical for your taste, and you want him removed precisely for the consequences of this deviation. Such wonderful support for neurodiversity you have there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity

85 2021-04-02 10:22

It's over guys, time to move on. There's no point in prolonging the suffering, you are only hurting yourselves.

https://leftypol.org/tech/res/7090.html

If you haven't done so the last time, switch all your projects from (A)GPLv3+ to (A)GPLv3 exactly, since a subverted GPL published swiftly after an FSF takeover is the obvious endgame.

86 2021-04-02 12:33 *

>>85
It's futile, because of the copyright assignment they can turn the whole GNU project proprietary as soon as the FSF is couped.

87 2021-04-02 15:16

The GCC Steering Committee is committed to providing a friendly, safe

and welcoming environment for all, regardless of gender identity and
expression, sexual orientation, disabilities, neurodiversity, physical
appearance, body size, ethnicity, nationality, race, age, religion, or
similar personal characteristics.

And RMS is committed to ensuring user freedom, so what's the issue?

88 2021-04-02 16:43 *

>>87
Apparently he was never on the GCC SC. Someone added him to the web page by mistake.

89 2021-04-02 19:13

I'm tired of everything. When will things be normal again?

90 2021-04-02 20:04

>>86
Frobbing GNU through the FSF won't negate:

If you haven't done so the last time, switch all your projects from (A)GPLv3+ to (A)GPLv3 exactly, since a subverted GPL published swiftly after an FSF takeover is the obvious endgame.

91 2021-04-15 17:28

https://gnu.tools/
Looks like the Guix guys are seceding.

92 2021-04-15 20:19

>>91

How many children have they molested today?

93 2021-04-16 00:12

>>91
The guix, guile, and gcc mailing lists have been some of the most unpleasant things I've read in the last 12 months and like most of you I have read some shit.

94 2021-04-16 06:10

>>93
Got any proofs?

95 2021-04-16 08:55

>>93
Seconding >>94. I never got the feeling that they were comfortable communities, but I'm not part of them, so I cannot say for sure.

96 2021-04-16 09:05

>>93
deboonked by lobsters

97 2021-04-16 10:52

Are you not done yet talking about how FSF relies on a single person to do their job instead of believing in their potential? They literally begged him: they are the problem, because they didn't do it transparently, they went against their ideals.

So what are *you* going to do?
Are you going to you are worshiping idols and wasting your time (and space in this board),
or are you going to smash your graven idols to bits?

https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf

98 2021-04-30 23:00

https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-board-frequently-asked-questions-faq

The vast majority of FSF’s financial support comes from individuals -- many, but not all, of whom choose to become associate members. At this moment, the FSF has more associate members than at any time in its history.

99 2021-09-07 21:07

Remember https://gnu.tools/? Seems like that stagnated... This is the last message sent to the "GNU Assembly" Mailing list: https://lists.gnu.tools/hyperkitty/list/assembly@lists.gnu.tools/thread/76QM5MWODH33O67F63DLJYQBONHQLSZL/.

100 2021-09-08 13:12 *

>>97
That's a good point but a separate discussion to be had. You don't solve that problem by driving the person running the organization out.

101 2021-09-11 00:04 *

>>100

driving the person running the organization out.
RMS has been running the FSF* in the last two decades.

Try again little sealion. The queen is a privileged historical celebrity now not monarch, there is a black pope class for the holy see vatican.

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