I see a lot of posts hating Indians on 4chan so wanted to know if that's the case irl in western countries. I'm a student rn but might move to the US in the future.
I see a lot of posts hating Indians on 4chan so wanted to know if that's the case irl in western countries.
It depends. Some people don't really like others emigrating because their own countries are bad. It doesn't really improve the West to accept non-Westerners. It doesn't help that Indians bring the caste system with them. I personally find it funny that there can be two Indians practically identical, but one thinks he's so much better than the untouchable, and meanwhile I'm just a white guy looking at two Indians.
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Casteism is not a problem anymore. At least in the urban areas. I'm an 'untouchable' myself. Never faced any oppression and didn't even know it up until two years ago.
Do you mean for programmers in the workplace or just society in general?
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Americans hate anyone who's not white, don't get into that 3rd world shithole.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-adds-caste-bias-protections-graduate-student-workers-rcna7279
Harvard adds caste bias protections for graduate student workers
Dec. 2, 2021
After months of negotiations, the Ivy League school added protections for caste-oppressed students to its graduate student union contract.
Harvard University is the latest U.S. school to add measures protecting caste-oppressed students following a push from graduate workers and a national organization.
Since March, South Asian graduate student organizers have tried to point out to the university's administration what they say is a real problem on campuses across the U.S.: discrimination based on the Hindu caste system.
Those born into lower castes, known as Dalits in India's deeply rooted hierarchies, have faced violence and oppression on the subcontinent for thousands of years. Though the system is now illegal in India, its impact is still far-reaching and can manifest themselves in a lack of social and economic mobility.
With the increase in South Asian immigration to the U.S. since the 1980s and '90s, the hierarchies have been carried overseas.
Twenty-five percent of Dalits in the U.S. report having faced verbal or physical assault, according to research by Equality Labs, an organization dedicated to ending white supremacy and casteism. One in 3 Dalit students also reported experiencing prejudice that affected their education, the study found.
Students trying to combat this on their campuses say they run into barriers in the process, particularly a sheer lack of knowledge among administrators.
Aparna Gopalan, a South Indian doctoral student at Harvard and a member of the Graduate Student Union, has been part of negotiations since March to add more protected classes to the union’s contract. She says she found herself in board rooms filled with white administrators who had no foundational grasp of the caste system.
“They had no idea what caste was,” Gopalan said. “I don’t think they really understood. At one point, they asked, ‘Why isn’t caste just protected under nationality?’ and I was flabbergasted. We were operating on a very basic level.”
But after months of talks between the union and the administration, as well support from Equality Labs, the Graduate Student Union's contract was ratified this week and caste was added as the only new protected category.
Harvard declined to comment other than confirming the contract has been ratified.
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Gopalan said that after the provision was approved, Dalit students began to come forward with their own experiences of discrimination, including by South Asian supervisors and instructors who would give their work less attention than that of upper caste students. Slurs and microaggressions from other students were also common.
“We need for every student covered under this contract to be aware that this is even in there,” Gopalan said. “No one can come forward if they aren’t explicitly aware that this is protected.”
Slurs are just the beginning of what Dalit students across the country have experienced on campus, said Thenmozhi Soundararajan, executive director of Equality Labs. The longtime Dalit rights activist has advocated for young people facing sexual harassment, housing discrimination, diminished opportunities and physical assaults.
"This important step recognizes first that we, too, exist at Harvard and that our experiences matter," said Raj Muthu, a Dalit Harvard alum and a member of Equality Labs' coalition. "As an alumni, I have certainly witnessed expressions of disdain and hostility directed towards members of oppressed castes, students and faculty."
Dalits on campus might also feel like they don't belong in South Asian circles that are heavily pervaded with casteism or dominated by upper caste students.
"Overall as a student from a caste-oppressed community, there is a deep sense of alienation and not belonging in South Asian settings," he said. "It’s a very isolating experience because as immigrants we try to seek refuge in our own ethnic communities."
But progress may be on the horizon. Through Equality Labs, Soundararajan has supported student bodies as they push their administrations to protect the caste-oppressed among them. Harvard is only the latest to add a measure, with the University of California, Davis, and Colby College both taking similar steps in the last few months.
“These aren’t overnight wins,” she said. “These are the results of many leaders going through the administrative process and building power toward caste equity.”
She’s sure that there are more to come.
“I see the change,” she said. “There hasn’t been a university that hasn’t wanted to do this.”
After Black Lives Matter protests in the summer of 2020, Soundararajan said schools became much more open to inclusive language. With high profile institutions beginning to adopt caste protection into official documents, she thinks others will soon follow suit.
For Gopalan, Harvard’s new contract with the union is the beginning of change, not the end.
“This is just the Grad Student Union,” she said. “We would like every union to have it at Harvard. We would like the university itself, outside of just workers, to put it in their handbooks.”
Those affected by caste oppression know it’s a struggle that has long been invisible to non-South Asians in the U.S. Soundararajan hopes these university-level changes can be the first steps in a broader conversation.
“It makes sure that our civil rights are being respected,” she said.
https://www.equalitylabs.org/castesurvey
A Survey of Caste in the United States
Recommendations
Colleges and Universities
We recommend that disciplinary committee and international student services s in colleges and universities sensitize themselves to the issue of Caste. Anti-hazing, bullying, discrimination policies for students and staff must be updated to specifically mention Caste in order to adequately reflect the reality of lived experiences on campuses and act as a deterrent to Caste discrimination in their .
americans...
who cares? lol
Good morning sir.
I doubt you will see anywhere near the vitriolic hatred found online in person.
There is hope to be found everywhere, as long as enough of us chip in to fight the good fight.
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https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jan/26/cut-the-cussing-the-indian-man-on-a-mission-to-end-sexist-swearing
Cut the cussing: the Indian man on a mission to end sexist swearing
Wed 26 Jan 2022
Many swear words in India, as elsewhere, have one thing in common – they target and shame women. Sunil Jaglan wants to empower women and end the culture of profanities
On a cold January afternoon, women gather on the veranda of a government-run nursery in Sarmathla village in the north Indian state of Haryana. Sitting cross-legged on the floor, they are eager to hear the visiting speaker.
The men and boys of the village mill about, reluctant to join the women, until Satyaprakash, a social worker, encourages them to sit on the chairs provided. “Please, join us tauji [uncle], today’s programme is about gaali [swear words],” he says.
The speaker, Sunil Jaglan, begins with a question, “Raise your hand if you have used cuss words that name mother’s, sister’s or women’s intimate body parts?”
People smile sheepishly, looking around for moral support before awkwardly raising their hands, “Everyone here has used gaali, sir, this is normal,” says one man.
A woman points towards a five-year-old on his father’s lap, “Even this kid knows to utter gaali.”
“But, is it right?” asks Jaglan.
To this, the women shout: “Of course not! Why target us or our body in your slurs? Why don’t people understand when they use misogynist profanities they actually target their own mothers and sisters? Is this what we are teaching our kids?”
Swear words in India might sound different from region to region, but they have one thing in common: many are misogynist, mocking, shaming or threatening women.
Under section 294 of the Indian penal code, those found guilty of obscene acts, songs, or words in public face a prison sentence of up to three months. But many people, especially in rural India, are unaware of the law.
As the sun sets, the villagers close the meeting by promising in unison three times. “Hum kabhi gaali nahi denge. [We will never use swear words].”
Jaglan’s crusade started in the village of Bibipur, where he grew up. After going away to university, he returned to be elected village head in 2010.
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“Using profanities is so common in Haryana. I used them during my college days without thinking. One day I asked a friend about the meaning of the words. It was only then that I realised how misogynistic they are,” says Jaglan.
In 2014, spurred by complaints from Bibipur women, he formed a committee to monitor and curb sexist language. If children swore, their parents were referred to the panchayat (an elected district official) who warned the families that they risked a period of being formally ostracised by the village or even police action.
Three years later, Jaglan, who is also the founder of Selfie With Daughter, a campaign to empower girls and women, launched Gaali-Bandh Ghar (no-swearing house) in Taloda village. A community that pledges to stop using profanities is declared gaali-bandh (no-swearing) village. There are similar designations for households or streets, documented by village heads.
Jaglan has since gone from village to village to spread the word, rapidly gaining support from women fed up with a culture of sexist slurs.
Shortly after the launch, six Taloda women filed police reports against four men, who were taken into police custody. The matter was resolved only after the men issued a public apology in the presence of the police station officer, the village head and villagers, and gave written assurances that they would never disrespect women or say such swear words in future.
“This campaign gave women confidence to speak up against, not only their own family members, but anybody who would hurl slurs at them,” says Madan Lal, Taloda sarpanch (village head).
There have been about 800 community outreach programmes aimed at changing attitudes in Haryana. Complaints are reported to local group heads, usually a retired teacher or army officer, or logged on WhatsApp groups. The accused is assigned a counsellor, a local who has already persuaded their own family to stop using offensive language. Jaglan’s organisation has trained 2,000 women and 100 men as counsellors, and taken on volunteers who manage WhatsApp groups, conduct surveys, and coordinate local programmes.
“It is difficult for males who don’t like to listen to womenfolk. India is a patriarchal society and such things are expected, but we are also determined to fight back,” says 19-year-old volunteer Anjali from Sarmathla village, who is at studying Haryana University.
Jaglan has introduced the campaign to schools in Haryana for 11- to 17-year-olds using questionnaires to identify children who will be counselled against using derogatory remarks along with their family.
In 2021, the campaign was adopted by some village elders in the neighbouring states of Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh. And it continues to expand.
“This year, we have received requests from more than 30 gram panchayats [village councils] from states like Goa, Telangana, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh to implement the gaali bandh ghar model. Even NGOs from Nepal have asked us to come and help launch [it] there,” says Jaglan.
This is true for cheap IT workforce from India. They tend to produce very tricky, obscure, unmaintainable and bug-prone code.
That's not true for middle devs though.