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prog


will federation really fix anything?

1 2022-12-10 00:36

a lot of people have gotten really excited recently over the prospects of federation, activitypub, mastodon, etc.

i do think that federation as a technical principle is fascinating.

however, the classic example of a federated system is email, and that whole ecosystem has almost entirely been eviscerated and cucked. it's nearly impossible to run a mail service independently and expect deliverability to the big platforms.

what's not to say that what happened to email will be precisely what happens to activitypub? what happens if lots of normies jump on the centralized corporate sites because the onboarding is easier and it's got additional hot slick features? this is exactly how gmail and outlook cucked email.

from what i can see, the state of things as they are is a human problem, not a technical one.

what are your thoughts, anons?

2 2022-12-10 12:52

Why are corporate sites that are compliant to activitypub be a problem? So users decide that they like and trust the corporate sites and invest their life to these sites. So what if many users do this? I will still have access to my trusted activitypub compliant server, I don't have to worry about the corporate sites; those users and those corporate sites aren't going to harm me directly.

3 2022-12-10 12:55

What was it supposed to fix?

4 2022-12-10 20:03

however, the classic example of a federated system is email, and that whole
ecosystem has almost entirely been eviscerated and cucked. it's nearly
impossible to run a mail service independently and expect deliverability to
the big platforms.

Why would you want to assure deliverability to the big platforms? If you want to talk to smaller mail servers, then start your own mail server!

We all need to collectively stand up against big email providers.
The same thing will need to happen to federation. With email, you should tell your users/recipients "Google marks my email as spam, complain to them, not me." Same thing with federation.

Ryo made an interesting blog post about this topic

ryocafe.i2p/blog/liberate-email-ignore-dkim/
b32:
http://nrxn6euv4xrcvvkkkgxon27rkjyyodlwsbkz7mcyacdtw4nqk7iq.b32.i2p/blog/liberate-email-ignore-dkim/

5 2022-12-11 07:15

>>3
SHHH!!
It... It just fixes things, okay???
:-)

6 2022-12-12 11:42

>>3
It's supposed to mitigate the problems of a centralized web log system that could be considered a monopoly on the Internet. The way this works is by allowing everybody to spawn their own web log system and have each system join in a federation, the procotol exists to support the ideal of federated web logs.

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