What would a perfect replacement look like? A messaging app with profile pages?
Define the addiction.
Anti dark pattern SNS already exists:
https://www.craigslist.org/about/sites
A messaging app with profile pages?
Every IM protocol that has ever lived?
What would a perfect replacement look like?
a world without computers
>>3
I'm sorry, going to a bar to catch up on anime news is not a safe choice.
Textboard but with images. R8 my idea.
literally a semi-dead old school BBS or something like this website where it's so slow it's actually retarded to sit around and wait for responses. a system where you gotta wait a day, realistically. then you just check every morning, maybe reply in the evenings, and fuck off again.
webring + guest-book
>>6
With enough users it wouldnt be slow. People will keep refreshing for new posts.
I do like the idea of an imageboard with user profiles and friends feature like facebook.
>>8
Like Ylilauta?
It's time to bring back USENET.
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Yeah but with better moderation.
I used to lurk the international board a long time ago. So many retarded memes.
OP must be busy, died, or can't find a reasonable definition…
In the meantime I'll fuckoff back to XMPP.
>>10
This.
XMPP + Matrix?
>>12
I've been replying in this thread. There's no way to show that it's me of course.
In my mind, the perfect social media service has encrypted messaging, Geocities type profile pages and chronological sorting of posts from friends only.
All other types of social media features like public posts should be on different forums.
This is a crude idea. My objective is to make it less addictive. The way you make friends would be same as in in-game voice chats where you share your social media IDs for further contact.
There's no way to show that it's me of course.
You meant
I won't cryptographically sign my posts
My objective is to make it less addictive.
Do you even know what addiction even is?
voice chats where you share your social media IDs
So, SRTP with “Secure Property Titles with Owner Authority” (Nick Szabo 1998).
>>15
Can't this be done already with Mastodon or similar? ActivityPub spec does allow for friends-only feeds. No idea about the encryption support on that spec, but it's based on JSON-LD, so maybe it could be extended to support it?
Don't you think the main thing that people get addicted to is endless scrolling? Maybe, probably not, as people get addicted to 4chan. As someone mentioned in this thread, something you have to pretty much wait a day for a response in, something that requires friction for a response or new content.
I know social media is an easy target, as it is designed to be addictive to serve ads, but what's the mechanism for addiction anyway?
So if I'm comprehending you, you are aware social media is addictive, but are not aware how. 4chan addiction is simple, it has niches and content you don't find in normal society. You go to it to seek content that otherwise would not exist in your day to day life. But most of humanity doesn't need it. You can't buy food with it, find shelter, get a degree, etc..
Real social media makes community outreach easier. Instead of going to a community center, library, or bar, you can post on a social website “Hey, we like anime, come hangout!” and build friendships from those legit social interactions.
What makes the other ones _addictive_ is all the Skinner games they embed in their design:
https://hai.stanford.edu/news/psychiatrists-perspective-social-media-algorithms-and-mental-healt
https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2021/10/29/addictive-potential-of-social-media-explained/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6679162/
https://hbr.org/2022/11/our-social-media-addiction
likes, reposts, gamifying, those things content addictive. It's gambling, but more tuned to your desires, instead of just money.
Like I said in >>2, they already exist, but just like mice, people don't want to use anti dark pattern technologies, they prefer the Brave New World (Aldous Huxley 1932).
Real social media makes community outreach easier.
Yes, if the SNS only informed you purely what your network is sharing, it'd make sharing amongst an existing network much easier. Many popular networks end up being generic content aggregators mixed with that simple SNS feature. It basically takes advantage of the fact you're looking at your social network to also show you random garbage that's optimized to make you stick around.
In reality we probably don't want that sort of "show me something cool NOW" that makes YouTube / TikTok (which are content platforms) extremely addictive. We also don't want to have the end user's network be so big that they're constantly seeing garbage that instigates them to engage.
SNS should be boring. Slightly interesting, relevant news, but mostly boring.
Try to avoid mixing in controversy or debate, it requires a certain good-faith mindset. Debates/Forums are their own thing, Content services too. And SNS completely separate from the two. This separation is centered on the *user* of the service. They should really be given as much as help as possible to avoid an infinite scroll on a content service.
As for forums, if they're slow enough, they naturally have a daily cadence. Enforce a high bar of quality and you'll ensure that users will probably post their one good contribution and move on with their lives to await new replies later.
Interesting read:
"Stop Trying to Make Social Networks Succeed" by Lionel Dricot
https://ploum.net/2023-07-06-stop-trying-to-make-social-networks-succeed.html
gemini://ploum.net/2023-07-06-stop-trying-to-make-social-networks-succeed.gmi
>>20
Then I'm glad Craig's list can be of use.
https://ploum.net/2023-07-06-stop-trying-to-make-social-networks-succeed.html
That’s not a problem _as long as you can have multiple accounts in different places._ Something _I’m sure you do._
This is absolutely naïve. Governments want one ID to rule them all. People are not trained in separation of profiles, and honestly humans shouldn't.
Try to achieve small and local successes instead of pursuing an imaginary universal one. It will make you happier.
It will make all of us happier.
Then HTML would have never succeeded, hysteric punk. Harvard architecture would have died, Python would still be a joke, *Nix and gzip wouldn't be ubiquitous.
>>21
Garbage post. Responding anyway, so that the thread doesn't rot from people that reply uncritically.
Governments want one ID to rule them all
Different accounts on multiple *services*, not multiple profiles on the *same* service.
HTML would have never succeeded
That post is about social networks, not tools or standards. You are right, but what you're saying isn't relevant.
> Governments want one ID to rule them all
Different accounts on multiple *services*, not multiple profiles on the *same* service.
I think you missed both Je suis Ploum and my point. Ploum argues you should maintain O(s^a) accounts for services you use. I'm arguing that while governments O(1), humans are not capable of either. In a homomorphically encrypted network, you only need to verify my access to a service is real and comes from a person, not who I am, where I originate, when I made the request, etc.. In a social network scenario, that someone with similar interest will attend the event. In fact, you shouldn't even need accounts for social networks, just that someone intends to join the described event, show up or not.
re universal tools
Of course I'm correct, TCP/IP would never be the protocol SNS choose, ever. Yet ITT, I'm the only one proposing distributed and decentralized models of networking.
>>20
you can make youtube a good content platform by logging out, that way you need to search for stuff you want to know and won't get caught by algo-garbage.
also could you describe it(SNS) more accurately? i do get the impression that you are thinking of a regular messenger-groupchat
describe SNS more accurately
when I say SNS I mean shit like mastodon, twitter, facebook.
youtube a good content platform
even when you're logged out, within the same session it will sort of start to profile you. thankfully it goes away if you restart the browser session.
>>25
Then you're looking at social media incorrectly.
USENET was the first social network. It worked, until pedophiles abused it.
Then came BBS, mailing lists, IRC, etc. to today.
People want Tiktok Meta Mastodon and X because it tailors their echo chamber perfectly. They are mice skinner-fied.
Most people use the platforms you mentioned not because they like them, but because that's where all the people are.
Last month I opened an account on every social media I could think of. I still don't use them. I have no buddies, nothing to share. I don't see what's addictive.
>>27
and how in the bloody hell do you think _people got there in the first place_. It sure as hell wasn't physically mailing DARPA for an account on protoprotoTiktok.
Just troon yourself out. T-blocker in particular makes you more narcissistic and less interested in hoarding woman's pictures. We all know creepy IT incels like you stalk women on social networks:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62564028
What are you talking about? Trannies are notorious microblogging addicts.
Just using the blogging as a tool to fight transphobia.
30
trannies read the BBC because thats what they want
When it comes to social media addiction, trans tend to be worse off in my opinion, yeah. Being terminally online is a symptom of gender dysphoria, I think.
Oy vey, T-blockers!
>>33
stop talking about transvestites
Are we just an appendage of /g/ now? Is that all this place is good for?
It actually fits the thread, bait and incendiary postings add to addictiveness of a platform and should be mitigated.
>>37
I'm afraid that's the case. No programming but countless distro threads, that's a sure sign.
There are distro threads on fucking tor boards, people just can't get enough of it
Hey guys what is a good linux distro for my hedphpnes xie9di3 max turbo lmao weed
How do I patch KDE2 to work on FreeBSD?
rm -rf /*
stop suppressing your inner girl.
http://lj.rossia.org/users/nancygold/125562.html
Invading Male Space
People accuse trans girls of invading females spaces and just mocking femininity.
I personally invade into male spaces and mock masculinity. In fact, I consistently get kicked out of male spaces.
It is so much more satisfying to bring ruin to the males spaces, especially the ones based on competition and achievement.
The only major thing women compete for is attention, so by going to male spaces and steering shit I also beat women by gaining a lot of attention. Everyone should be mad.
There are several potent ways to ruin male spaces:
1. Be a depressed emo. Derail any theme into suicide. The best way to break their morals. For example, if you got into a skydiving community, speak about how you hope every jump will be your last. If you're in the military service then openly pray for your army's defeat.
2. Be a dunce, annoy them with stupidity. Ask stupid questions. Don't be afraid to look like an idiot. And when others point that out, accuse them of being toxic and unhelpful.
3. Be clumsy, fail at everything. There is no more manly thing than success and achievement.
4. Be a low effort slacker. Don't even put effort into failing either - it should come naturally.
5. Promote recreational drugs. Dependency and altered mind state is an excuse for you and others should express compassion for you not finding happiness in drug free life.
6. Whine non-stop. Demand them to lower the bar. The weaker you are, the less they will expect from you and the less responsibility you will have.
7. Embrace your mental issues. Being logical and stoically suppressing mental illness is for real men, which we despise.
8. Shift blame. Try getting other men involved, and then make them responsible for everything. That is easy, if you haven't put any effort into the task, therefore you're the least guilty.
Remember how the USSR died: men saw little purpose putting any effort into the task, the fruit of their hard work was blame. Same way, our goal is extinguishing the fire holding their grasp for life.
And most of all: don't pretend to be a woman - act like one!
>>44,45
You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/coming-of-age-at-the-dawn-of-the-social-internet